Rabi Yochonon maintains; his liability is both before Yiush and after Yiush - רבי יוחנן סבר חיוביה בין לפני יאוש בין לאחר יאוש
Summary:
Certain established rules regarding who is the accepted authority are valid only when we are discussing the original disputants (not when others are also involved).
He agrees with the virtuous ones - הוא דאמר כצנועין
Summary:
The צנועין and ר"ל maintain יאוש קני. The case of צנועין is a יאוש שלא מדעת situation. Only הקדש can be redeemed by anyone; other items requiring redemption need to be redeemed by the original owner. It is not clear why another cannot redeem these items on account of זכין לאדם שלא בפניו.